Peter, you’ve been SU02 involved in a tremendous ministry in the African nation of Mozambique. And I particularly want to talk to you about that because when I was in Africa this past year, you and I met for the first time. You began to share with me your vision for Mozambique. Now if you will recall, I shared this story with you and I want to share it with the people, that before the president of Mozambique was killed in a plane crash, I suppose a little more than a year ago, is that about right? Before he was killed in a tragic air crash, the Oral Roberts Ministry and his government had negotiated an arrangement for medical teams to come in. And then somehow after he was killed the negotiations broke down. And then I met you when I was in Africa and you began to share with me your vision for Mozambique. Can you bring us up-to-date on what your ministry has done and is doing in Mozambique?
SPKM PETER PRETORIUS Yes, certainly. You know, we got involved in Mozambique in 1983. We’d heard what was going on in the country. The famine was then three years it had been going, and it really culminated at the end of 1983, the first three months of 1984. 300,000 people died in the space of about four months. And really it was just the most catastrophic tragic type of situation. And we got into the country about three months before that time. We started going to the different distribution camps and the first thing that we did was to bring in food. I went back home. I took what money we had. I phoned other churches, and within two weeks we were back on the road with 60 tons of food. And that’s how we began. We just knew that Jesus wanted us to reach the immediate needs of these people.
But that just opened for us the most incredible doors for the gospel. I mean, you must realize this is a Marxist country. You know, the actual law of the country is you are not permitted to preach the gospel publicly.
SPRR RICHARD ROBERTS Yeah, Mozambique was a nation that was formerly under the control of the Portuguese. And then when it gained its independence years ago, it became a Marxist Communist nation and that’s where it stands right now. Very difficult to get into Mozambique to begin with.
SPKM PETER PRETORIUS It is. And, you know, they tolerate the church. They allow some measure of freedom within the church but nothing outside of the church. When we started to come in we said we would be prepared to try and help and feed the nation, but we want to feed them spiritually as well as physically. And they gave us permission to preach and to hand out material whenever we did a food distribution. That led to our first–
SPRR RICHARD ROBERTS In other words, the food was the ticket that allowed you (That’s right.) to preach. You had to have a door opener.
SPKM PETER PRETORIUS That is correct, and that’s what I want to come to just now. You know, I have something on my heart that I really want to say to you this morning. And I want the people who are watching us today to understand the situation, how Africa is so ripe for the gospel and how certain things open the way today, whether a country is Marxist or whether it’s not Marxist. So we had our first citywide crusade in Mapuda(sp) at the end of 1984. It was the most incredible crusade. We had asked them for the stadium. They said, “You know, you never get people like that, only for a political meeting.” So they wanted us to do it in a little church. We finally persuaded them to give us an old big hangar building near the airport.
SPRR RICHARD ROBERTS Well, if you could see the service from my vantage point, from the platform, if you could see the thousands and thousands and thousands of people inside the church and then the buildings next to the church where there are maybe 40 or 50 rooms absolutely jammed to capacity with people, with television monitors where they could see the service and then outside on the street in the darkness where people were listening to the service. And the service was to begin at seven o’clock, but Dr. Chaw who was standing just off camera here said to me that they had to close all of the doors by 4 p.m.–is that right, Dr. Chaw?–4 p.m. all of the doors were closed because of the size of the crowd. And perhaps there will be a day that God will lead when we can come and have a great crusade in the stadium.
SPKM PAUL YONGGI CHO I hope so. When God’s Holy Spirit lead us, we’ll plan that.
SPRR RICHARD ROBERTS Praise God. Dr. Cho, I want you to know how much we are looking forward to you being in Tulsa in June at the annual Charismatic Bible Ministries Fellowship Conference, the Oral Roberts Minister’s Conference there. You will be speaking. Of course you are our honorary international chairman, and we honor you for your faith and for your ministry and for the works that you’re doing for Jesus Christ. And on behalf of my dad and on behalf of all the leadership of the Charismatic Bible Ministries Fellowship and all the nearly 2,500 members, I thank you for coming and I really believe it’s going to be a great time. And, by the way, if you’re a minister of the gospel, if you’re a pastor, an evangelist, if you are in any way associated with the ministry, if you are an associate pastor or youth pastor of you’d just like to come to the annual Oral Roberts Minister’s Conference in association with the Charismatic Bible Ministries Fellowship, then just check the dates on your screen and you can come. There’s no admission charge. It’s in Mabee Center on the campus of Oral Roberts University on the Tuesday, the Wednesday and the Thursday. You can come and you can be a part of the most exciting and fastest growing fellowship–not a denomination, but a fellowship–in America and around the world, the Charismatic Bible Ministries Fellowship with already nearly 2,500 members. And, Dr. Cho, I’m expecting a tremendous time in June.
SPKM PAUL YONGGI CHO Praise God. God bless you, and I’m always delighted to come to the Tulsa, Oklahoma to the Oral Roberts University.
SPRR RICHARD ROBERTS Praise God. Thank you, Dr. Cho.
SPRR RICHARD ROBERTS Praise the Lord. Dr. Cho has invited me to go with him for a great pastor’s conference and crusade, healing crusade, to Japan this next year. Japan is also one of the 40 nations that God has spoken to me about going into and preaching and praying for the sick. And I’ve accepted his invitation, 1988. And then the surprise yesterday that I said I was going to share with you, Dr. Cho has invited me to join with him following the conclusion of the ’88 Olympics which are to be held in Seoul, Korea in ’88, the following year after that in ’89 and to take that great new Olympic stadium in Seoul, which when you seat all the bleachers and seating plus the grounds, you can get approximately half a million people together, and to conduct a great miracle healing crusade in Seoul, Korea for everybody.
And we’re praying about that. I thank you for your prayers. I thank God for that opportunity to go to Seoul and to see so many great miracles. And I thank God for the opportunity to share it with you. And right now the ORU Orchestra and I want to join in a song titled, “Lord, You’ve Been So Good To Me.”
SPKM ORU SINGERS
SPRR RICHARD ROBERTS SONG Lord youve been so good to me AD02 COF SPOT
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SPKM PAUL YONGGI CHO Well, I have a great burden to win 10 million Japanese to Jesus Christ. God has given me this mission to fulfill. And actually I wanted to get Dr. Oral Roberts involved in my Japan ministry and
SPRR RICHARD ROBERTS He did come over last year.
SPKM PAUL YONGGI CHO Last year we had a great meeting. But he feels that he’s too old and he told me he would like to give burden to you. So I think I’ve got to work with his son instead of the father.
SPRR RICHARD ROBERTS Well, Jesus said, “If you’ve seen me, you’ve seen the Father.”
SPKM PAUL YONGGI CHO And also I know that God is using you. In the States I was watching your program many times in my hotel room, even before I met you, and I prayed for you and I was so glad that God has raised you up and anoint you because you are son of minister. I myself as a son and it’s a miracle that God usually takes the son of minister to be used for the glory of God because they are disgusted and discouraged as a family of the ministers because they are, have many difficulties as a child of ministers.
But when I saw that you are dedicated and God raised you up, anointed you to use, I was greatly moved in my heart. And also I knew that God was going to use you in spite of all your past failure or something like that because God forgives and God forgets. So since God made you an anointed servant of God, who am I to judge you? And I just felt that I’ve got to cooperate with you to bring this gospel of Jesus Christ to the end of the world because you are the anointed servant of the Lord right now.
SPRR RICHARD ROBERTS Well, I thank you for that, Dr. Cho. I want you to know something from my heart, when I heard that this church began with five people and now has half a million members, I understand that you have nine services on Sundays, is that right?
SPKM PAUL YONGGI CHO Yes, yes, God has been very good to us. And for these 30 years I myself personally have made a lot of mistakes in my ministry, but God has helped me so far. And I’m not doing silly things in my age. I invite any minister, I become very careful because I’m exposing half a million people through that person’s ministry. So if I ever feel a personal evangelist is not anointed, I will never invite you.
SPRR RICHARD ROBERTS Well, when I came into the service last night and when I heard the people singing in the Spirit and praying, it literally not only seemed to shake the rafters of the church, but it shook the rafters of my heart. And I felt such an anointing of the Spirit. And the people received me. They received the message that I had. And I’m so deeply touched to be here in your great nation, for I really believe that it’s no accident that God called me. And I believe He called you and me to be together. And I want you to know that I am sincerely grateful.
SPKM PAUL YONGGI CHO Well you were tremendously anointed last evening and tonight, and I was very delighted to interpret for you. Usually I don’t interpret, do you know that?
SPRR RICHARD ROBERTS Yes, I understand.
SPKM PAUL YONGGI CHO I interpreted for Dr. Billy Graham, Dr. Oral Roberts and Schuller.
SPRR RICHARD ROBERTS Let me just put you on the spot, why did you interpret for me?
SPKM PAUL YONGGI CHO You’re a young man. I can’t synchronize with you. You are too powerful and strong and I am slow and I’m tired.
SPRR RICHARD ROBERTS No, you’re not slow and you’re not tired either and you’re not old.
SPKM PAUL YONGGI CHO But it was great and a delight for me to work together and you have done a great thing for my church. Our Christians have been so blessed, rejuvenated and their visions and dreams have been enlarged and Christ become very near to them. So I’m very happy as a pastor of this church for your coming.
SPKM TANYA GOODMAN Right now we’re going through a lot of change and God is dealing with us a lot about obedience. That is something he has been dealing with us in our lives about. We have been reevaluating everything in our lives as far as our ministry is concerned, our personal life, our commitments, relationships in business, everything. And everything we don’t feel is totally and completely ordained straight from the hand of God we’re cutting it loose. And God is just doing some things in us and we’re not sure exactly where it’s all going to need, but he is just drawing us aside right now and is saying, “I want you to wait for my voice,” and that’s what we’re doing. And that’s what’s coming out a lot in our ministry. We’re writing a lot toward that.
SPRR RICHARD ROBERTS Well, we have a love and respect for your family. Of course, your aunt and uncle, Howard and Vestal, were on the program while I was in Korea. And your dad has been here and even Sam has been on our program before. So we’re grateful that you’re here today. Will you bless us with another song.
SPKM TANYA GOODMAN Sure.
SPRR RICHARD ROBERTS Give her another good welcome. Tanya, God
bless you. (APPLAUSE)
SPKM TANYA GOODMAN
SPKM MICHAEL SYKES SONG The_king_of_who_I_am (APPLAUSE)
SPKM REESE LEROY AD04 (ROLL-IN) Reese LeRoy, ORU Singer Plans are underway for the fourth annual Oral Roberts Ministers’ Conference to be held June 23, 24, and 25. Hundreds of ministers from across the country and around the world will join together in ORU’s Mabee Center to hear dozens of anointed speakers of God. And the Set Free Drug and Alcohol Rehabilitation Unit at the City of Faith has been expanded to accommodate more patients. This increased demand will allow for patients of all ages to come for treatment. In addition, the City of Faith has initiated an eating disorders clinic. Both programs still have openings. At University Village residents will soon be able to enjoy a new climate control system. Workers are busy replacing the 17 year old heating and air conditioning unit so that nearly 400 residents of this total lifecare center will be more comfortable year round. Meanwhile, over 1,300 students from 37 Christian schools from across the country will join together at ORU’s campus May 17th for the ORU educational fellowship competition. Students will compete in areas of music, voice, and drama and they will be awarded trophies and plaques for their accomplishments. For this week’s ministry minute, I’m Reese LeRoy. (APPLAUSE)
SPRR RICHARD ROBERTS Thank you, Reese. There is a lot to do at ORU this summer. And not the least of which, of course, is the upcoming 4th annual Ministers’ Conference in association with the Charismatic Bible Ministries Fellowship which begins June 23, 24, and 25. That is a Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday here at ORU. If you’re a minister of the gospel in any capacity and you’d like to attend that great, great conference of ministers, then you are not only welcome but you are invited. So mark those dates down, June 23, 24, and 25. You’d better call and get a hotel reservation quickly because things are filling up around Tulsa for that great conference. Last year there were nearly 7,000 people who joined together for those 3 days and we’re expecting a great time in the Lord this summer, June 24, 25, and 25. (APPLAUSE) So get your reservation in. Call the number…. call the prayer group. In fact, for information about what is happening at ORU all summer long, just call the prayer group at 918-495-7777 and we’ll let you know and keep you posted on what is SU03 happening. My very special guest today is the president and founder of Barbara Walden Cosmetics, Barbara Walden. Barbara, God bless you and welcome. (APPLAUSE)
SPRR RICHARD ROBERTS Well, what you’re saying to me, Johnny, is a message to this nation and the world. It’s a message to you, my friend, that you are special to God. There is nobody, no one, that is like you. You are unique, you are irreplaceable. Without you the world wouldn’t be the same. God has a need for you. You have a need for God. You and God, you need each other. You say, “Well, I’ve heard you talk about him but how can I know him?” I’m so glad you asked. It’s so easy for you to get to know Jesus. Everybody here in our studio audience, join hands together and let me pray for you for you are just a prayer away from receiving Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. You are just a prayer away from the Man, Jesus Christ, that Johnny Johnson has been talking about from entering into your heart and into your life and for you to be transformed from your hair to your toenails. Father, I thank you that as I pray this prayer I believe you hear my prayer. Now, my friend, I pray for you right now.
I’m going to ask everybody here in our studio and I’m going to ask you at home to pray this prayer out loud after me if you really want to meet this Man, Jesus Christ, that Johnny has been talking about. You pray this prayer out loud after me as everybody does. O Lord, be merciful to me, a sinner, a backslider. I’ve turned my back on you, God. I recognize I’m wrong. I renounce the devil and all of his works. I take Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. I speak his name with my lips for he went to the cross for me. He rose from the dead for me. He ascended to heaven for me. He sent the Holy Spirit for me. God, I ask you to forgive me now. I repent. I change my mind. I take Christ into my heart and I receive your forgiveness. And now that I have your forgiveness, I’m going to forgive others. I forgive them now. I forgive those who persecuted me. I forgive those who have been my enemies. I do not lay it to their charge. I freely forgive them. God, I ask you to forgive them. Lord, right now I’m going to start over again.
Jesus Christ is in my heart. His spirit has just entered me. I am a new person. I’ll never be the same again. O friend, if you meant that prayer from your heart, and I believe you did, you will never, ever, ever be the same again. Jesus Christ has cleansed you. All that old stuff inside is gone. You are forgiven. And the Bible SR03 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. ( RR_1_John_01:09 ) Oh, I thank God. I thank God for the miracle of forgiveness. The greatest miracle of all is the salvation of a soul. As we were praying, Johnny, someone who has deafness in their right ear began to receive a healing. There is a right ear that’s being healed right now. You say, “Well, Richard, how do you know that?” I know for God gave me a word of knowledge as I was leading that prayer. Someone’s right ear is being healed right now. Someone’s tumor on the left side of your stomach, the growth way down on the left side of your stomach, is being healed right now. That cancer there in the cells on the left side, that thing is disappearing right now. In the mighty name of Jesus I pray for you to be healed today in your body. I speak to the sickness and the disease and I command it to come out of your life and I enter into a holy agreement with you for God to heal you and I will not turn loose of the agreement.
There is a person who has had a rib problem right here on the last, lowest rib on the right side, right here. You are receiving a healing, you are receiving a healing. There is a person has not been able to raise your shoulder for weeks. I believe it’s your left shoulder. It may be your right but I believe it’s your left. You can lift that shoulder now without pain. I want you to step to your telephone now and call the prayer group and give me your testimony. Let me share it on the air. Let me know what God is doing in your life. Johnny, God bless you. Thank you so much for being our guest today. May the Lord continue to anoint you and bless you as you minister. Bless you while you’re in Washington in those congressional prayer breakfasts. Remember the Charismatic Bible Ministries Fellowship conference, the Oral Roberts Ministries conference July January June 23, 24, 25. Mark those dates down. Cheryl, Lindsay, till we see you tomorrow, remember, no matter what it looks like, God can turn it around for you.